Hi people! I came across this problem while writing an entrance test to CMI (Chennai Mathematical Institute) today. The question is to find the area between the two curves

\( \displaystyle x^2 + y^2 = 144 \) and \( \displaystyle \sin(2x + 3y) \le 0 \).

Well, it can be done, definitely, by "brute force" method - what we usually do to find area between two curves. But that would be insanely complicated! So is there a "nice" ("nice" is subjective - I know) way to solve this problem?

Just to share what I started off with:

\( \displaystyle \sin(2x + 3y) \le 0 \) \( \displaystyle \implies (2n+1) \pi \le 2x + 3y \le (2n+2) \pi \) where \( n \) is obviously an integer. Also, the tangents to the circle with the slope \( -\dfrac{2}{3} \) are \( 2x + 3y = \pm 12\sqrt{13} \). We are interested in the region between these two tangents. So, to obtain the lower value of \( n \), we have:

\( \displaystyle (2n_{min} + 1) \pi) \ge -12\sqrt{13} \implies n = -7 \)

To obtain the upper value of \(n\), we have: \( \displaystyle (2n_{max} + 2) \pi) \le 12\sqrt{13} \implies n = +5 \)

So, the area we have to find is that of the intersection of the circle and the "strips" given by the region \( \displaystyle \implies (2n+1) \pi \le 2x + 3y \le (2n+2) \pi \), where \( n = -7, -6, \ldots, 5 \). Let's just expand this to get a better idea:

The "strips" are:

- \( \displaystyle \implies -13 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le -12 \pi \)
- \( \displaystyle \implies -11 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le -10 \pi \)
- \( \displaystyle \implies -9 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le -8 \pi \)
- \( \displaystyle \implies -7 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le -6 \pi \)
- \( \displaystyle \implies -5 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le -4 \pi \)
- \( \displaystyle \implies -3 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le -2 \pi \)
- \( \displaystyle \implies -1 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le 0 \pi \)
- \( \displaystyle \implies 1 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le 2 \pi \)
- \( \displaystyle \implies 3 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le 4 \pi \)
- \( \displaystyle \implies 5 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le 6 \pi \)
- \( \displaystyle \implies 7 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le 8 \pi \)
- \( \displaystyle \implies 9 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le 10 \pi \)
- \( \displaystyle \implies 11 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le 12 \pi \)

I think (note: here I don't have any solid justification), that, the area between the circle and strip number #13 (that is, \( \displaystyle \implies 11 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le 12 \pi \) ) is the same as the area between the circle and \( \displaystyle \implies -12 \pi \le 2x + 3y \le -11 \pi \). My reason to think so: The strips are kind of "symmetrical" about the \(6.5^{\text{th}}\) strip. I mean, the half of the \(6^{\text{th}}\) strip. So, we can move the strips "above" it, and "place" them in the "gaps" below the strip of symmetry. So by "moving" all the strips above the strip of symmetry, we get a continuous, "thicker" strip, which is easier (relatively) to integrate.

In the end ( if you have read till here :P ), I have to say, I couldn't actually find the area. That's why the question is here!

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TopNewestWell look at this argument ( I am not writing the complete solution) :

For every point in the circle \( (x, y) \) satisfying the given equations, there exists a point \((-x,-y)\) that lies in the circle and doesn't satisfy the equations. And the vice-versa is also true.

So the answer is simply half the circle's area, I.e., \( 72 \pi\) – Shourya Pandey · 3 years ago

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– Parth Thakkar · 3 years ago

This seems too simple (not saying incorrect) to believe! Seriously! I spent so much time over it, typing it here, and writing it in the paper, and here you're dusting it off in one line. Man this is awesome!Log in to reply

– Piyal De · 3 years ago

So how did the entrance test go, Parth?Log in to reply

– Parth Thakkar · 3 years ago

Not very great. The first part (here I assume you too have written the test, and your age isn't really 19) was very easy. Everything, except a mistake in one problem, seems correct. However, in part B, I could do two questions fully, while I could attempt two others partwise. There's no chance of me getting into it. Surely there are at least 40 people (in about 2000 odd people who took the exam) who could do at least five if not all six!Log in to reply

– Piyal De · 3 years ago

Yeah buddy, you got that right, I gave the test too. I couldn't do all full, but did part of the last 5 problems. The mcqs were okay......really 2000 gave the test and atleast 40 people did 5 what about ISI entrance, how did it go??Log in to reply

– Parth Thakkar · 3 years ago

2000 is a number I got from quora (some guy had made a rough analysis). Rough figure. And 40 is the roundabout number who'll be getting a seat there. Surely there will be these many people. Obviously! And not to mention there will be a few people who'll be getting direct admission - INMO, RMO guys.Log in to reply

– Piyal De · 3 years ago

Yeah you're right, what about ISI entrance? You gave it right?Log in to reply

– Parth Thakkar · 3 years ago

No. Wasn't careful at that time.Log in to reply

– Shourya Pandey · 3 years ago

And you might not worry about the case when \(sin (2x+3y) =0\), because it resembles sets of lines, after all, and wouldn't affect the area. :DLog in to reply

I Cleared bothe Cmi & ISI – Priyadarshi Anubhav · 2 years, 10 months ago

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yup buddy the ans is 72pie, yhe same question with a diff version came in ISI , its just a straight line passing thru (0,0) also the centre. – Satyam Mohla · 2 years, 11 months ago

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hey buddy i also wrote the same examination. in the question sin(2x+3y)<=0 you can write it as 2x+3y<=0.since if you take sin inverse on both sides you get the above equation and hence can find the area easily – Ankit Anand · 3 years ago

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– Parth Thakkar · 3 years ago

Consider the point \( (\pi/2, 0) \). Does this satisfy \( \sin(2x+3y) \le 0 \)? Yes. Does it satisfy \( 2x + 3y \le 0 \)? No. You can't write that way.Log in to reply

– Ankit Anand · 3 years ago

you can write it that way.if you are that unsure you can check it out in that new pattern iit by arihant. it has the same question but with different data.Log in to reply

– Parth Thakkar · 3 years ago

It is wrong my friend! If the book has written that way, it is a grave mistake. It might be so that the answer turns out to be the same - but that is only a huge coincidence. Move the circle to some point other than origin, let's say \( 50, 50 \). Clearly the circle doesn't even touch the line \( 2x+3y = 0 \). So according to you the answer would be \( 0 \). Clearly wrong - since the curve \( \sin(2x+3y) \le 0 \) is spread all over the \( x-y \) plane. I don't know of any software that would plot and show you, (wolframalpha fails too). Think over for a while.Log in to reply

What were the other questions in that you found interesting? – Calvin Lin Staff · 3 years ago

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Polynomials? That sounds familiar – Parth Thakkar · 3 years ago

I couldn't stop myself from posting this one:Log in to reply

And you thought limits were always easy

Here's another:I'll post others sometime later. Thanks for showing interest :D – Parth Thakkar · 3 years ago

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A fun problem - Find the formula of number of functions from a power set to another set – Parth Thakkar · 3 years ago

Here's one:Log in to reply

– Parth Thakkar · 3 years ago

Will surely be adding them soon!Log in to reply