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Can we please be allowed to "buy" attempts with points? Like when we ran out of attempts, we can spend say 100% of the worth of the problem in exchange for another attempt. On top of that, maybe each successive attempt bought would be cost more and more points.

Note by Jiahai Feng
4 years, 8 months ago

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We think this is a good idea and will consider implementing it. Thanks.

Staff - 4 years, 8 months ago

sir but this idea will make maths more business like and more game like and people will lose focus from the actual math problems . actually in any exam written or mcq there is only one option.here in brilliant we are given 3 chances which are more than enough.if we get more chances by buying then it will be a bad habit and would make us suffer in our future exams .

- 4 years, 8 months ago

I disagree with you (and anyway congratulations, you are only 13 and you are already so good to do problems on sites like this! Great! ). Remember that doing math in our spare time is a joy or a deliberate pratice, it is not a work nor is compulsory.

Moreover, if games works so well to catch the attention and efforts of the user, then it's better to learn why those are so good. In few words: catching a user with a "one more try" (and remember that points aren't infinite) it's better to lost an user for every field of knowledge. see gamification

Small hints: 1. exams are only certifications. Someone certify that you are able to do something, but math require no certifications to be done, it require only skills and motivation.
2. A tradition in education is not always "the right way". No one has proved that "exams with any second (or third, etc..) chance" are the best way to educate people. Those are only a "de facto" standard.
3. If someone is rigid with himself, then he always can follow tougher limits to improve himself. But force others to follow his limits is... well, i don't think is good. "You! Live your life as i order!" Naa, it doesn't sound good.

- 4 years, 8 months ago

i agree to some parts u have written bro like "Moreover, if games works so well to catch the attention and efforts of the user, then it's better to learn why those are so good. In few words: catching a user with a "one more try" (and remember that points aren't infinite) it's better to lost an user for every field of knowledge." but wouldnt it cause them misconception.only a doubt

- 4 years, 8 months ago

Naa, i don't think so. For example, a user with 1000 points wants to try one more time. If the cost of each "extra chance" is somehow exponential, he can try one more time for, let's say, 50 points, a second try (only on the same problem) will cost 100 points, a third try will cost 250 points, and so on.

Even with your huge score (38k points actually) in this manner you can have very few extra chances, and since the user pay for them (with points that have required his effort), then he will be more accurate in his solution.

Obviously if each extra chance will cost only 1 point, then the challenge is over. But a virtual economic system is never so trivial.

- 4 years, 8 months ago

if the cost of one try after the 3 tries be 50 then in arithmetic progression , i.e 100,150 and so on after 2 or 3 tries(sometimes even 1) the cost of try will be greater than the problem ,means it would be a loss for the solver even if he solves the problem.

again, believing that the problem solver is a novel one and does not care about his points then also if he couldnt do the problem in the three tries then he will want to solve the problem in various ways(which will open his mind) but in most of the cases he will get different answers and he will be confused why it happened.

also, take problem solvers like me( though i am not one of the best and my point is minimal in respect to other higher problem solvers) who have more than 25k points will have a infinitely more chances than the ones with less points who may have more potential than me causing a biased situation .(without considering the fact that the cost of try will be greater than the problem ,means it would be a loss for the solver even if he solves the problem.)

and last of all if u tell that there will be one free try and then two tries with points then i totally support with u then it will be a great thing to do)

- 4 years, 8 months ago

Yeah exactly, if the cost of a try is not so worth (in terms of ROI ) then the solver will pay more care in his attempts. Avoiding the problem of "brainless try".

About: "he will want to solve the problem in various ways(which will open his mind) but in most of the cases he will get different answers and he will be confused why it happened."
this problem can't be solved only with a submit form (with 3 or more chances), it needs a discussion with others (for example on the forum).

About: " who have more than 25k points will have a infinitely more chances than the ones with less points who may have more potential than me causing a biased situation"
If you see this site as a challenging site between users, i agree with you. But in my opinion this site is a challenge with the user and himself. Like "am i good for level 5?". So having a lot of points to use them for yell "i'm better than you" it's quite useless imo. (Also beacause the possibility of cheating on the site is really huge. For example an entire class can use only one account)

There are challenges where opponents are required (for example, chess. You can't test your strenght alone), other challenges where opponents exists always. The latter situation is the situation of mathematics. The opponent is the problem itself, are you able to solve it?
And, once you solve it, you ask to your peers a confirm about solution correctness. So if someone sees problems on the site like a routine, even on level 5, then (in my opinion obviously) he should attack mainly other problems, not only those with a known (and available for the user) solution.

About 3 tries, one free and the others with some cost. No i would rather prefer one free try, 2nd that costs 25% of the problem points, 3rd 50%, 4th 75% and so on. So 4 tries with some return, 1 try with no return at all, and after a lot of tries with negative returns.

- 4 years, 8 months ago

umm right it is now good

- 4 years, 8 months ago

It would make it a little more like a game. I highly doubt it would cause people to lose focus on the actual math.

We think the ability to pay for extra attempts would provide an incentive that encourages people to persevere in the face of failure, while preventing people from just guessing a lot with unlimited tries on each problem.

It is true that on most exams you have one chance to be right or wrong. Thankfully Brilliant is not an exam. We think having multiple tries on each question is one of the things about Brilliant that makes us way cooler than school.

Staff - 4 years, 8 months ago

sir i support u brilliant is not an exam and also to pay for extra attempts would provide an incentive that encourages people to persevere in the face of failure, while preventing people from just guessing a lot with unlimited tries on each problem.but it will make make maths more games less maths . multiple tries on each question is one of the things about Brilliant that makes us way cooler than school.its right but it will not help us grow as because people will just do problems in several ways and they would try to put it in the box but will look less into the matter that how he came to the conclusion, was that conclusion right or what was the reason behind it . they will give different answers and get it wrong most of the time due to the thought that there are more chances to waste and do the math on some rough calculations . it will not only make them vulnerable but would also cause severe misconception and mis-thoughts

- 4 years, 8 months ago

agreed...:0

this concept will harm our ability of solving problem....:/

- 4 years, 8 months ago