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the ans displays here is two but by drawing the figure one can easily point out the ans as 3. what is wrong in this solution

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This is a good example of a case where an approach to the problem (in this case algebraic manipulation) results in a different answer than from another approach (Rohitashav used plotting). You should review both methods and try and spot where a mistake was made, and for what reason.

In the case of plotting the points, one can easily see that there are 3 intersection points. Since these points are not collinear, there will be 3 straight lines that can result.

Now, we need to determine what went wrong with the algebraic solution. I can think of several reasons:
1. As Keshav pointed out, \(\lambda\) has a multiplicity, and that might account for additional solutions.
2. Even if \(\lambda\) has a multiplicity of 1, that doesn't necessarily mean that it only corresponds to 1 solution.
3. There could be some flawed reasoning in the steps. What does the first line mean "Any curve through the points of intersection of given curves is \( f(x,y) + \lambda g(x,y) = 0 \)". What does \(\lambda\) seek to measure? How does it correspond to a solution? Is the solution restricted to real values, or complex values (which we'd then have to ignore, as in point 2)?
4. How does "there is a line if ... " follow from the first sentence? How / why did they get rid of all the values of \(x\) and \(y\)?.
5. Assuming that the logic is valid, does it account for all possible straight lines? Does it allow us to account for lines parallel to the x-axis? How about lines parallel to the y-axis? For example, if \(\lambda\) was to measure the gradient/slope, then it might have issues with infinity.
6. It is entirely possible that the solution is meaningless, as the steps have nothing to do with the problem. Is that the case here? Does it even talk about what the points of intersection are? Shouldn't it only occur when \( f(x,y) = g(x, y) \), i.e. when \( \lambda = 1 \)?
7. Are there calculation errors made in the solution?

I'm not going to spoon feed you, so work through the solution and question everything. I've given you some areas to consider. There might be more.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 1 month ago

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λ=-3 has multiplicity of two, so you should write λ = -3, -3

Keshav Kumar - 5 years, 1 month ago

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if we solve both the equations given, and find the value of x to be 3, -1 but from the first equation x^2 = 1+y^2 =>x = sqrt(1+y^2) so when x = -1, we get -1 = sqrt(1+y^2) this is not possible..bcoz ny sqrroot function is defined only for real values of x... so we neglect this solution

and when x = 3 we get 3 = sqrt(1+y^2) which has a got a real value of y...

hence we ignore the values -1

Mishti Angel - 5 years, 1 month ago

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when you solve these equation you get value of lemda as 1,-3,-3 so three point of intersection

Bhuvnesh Goyal - 5 years, 1 month ago

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The no. of straight lines is 3 so no. of pairs will be \({3 \choose2}\)=3

Nishant Sharma - 5 years, 1 month ago

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yes ,u r correct ,but my ques . is what is the error in the above discussion

Rohitashav Agarwal - 5 years, 1 month ago

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maybe the solution is wrong? as displayed here

Rahul Nahata - 5 years, 1 month ago

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your ans is correct. only two lines are intersecting. the 1st equation is the equation of standard hyperbola so that will not give any line. that will give u a curve and the second equation will give u two intersecting lines

Vipin Tiwari - 5 years, 1 month ago

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