# Help: Sequence and Series 2

The sixth term of an arithmetic progression is 2, and its common difference is greater than 1. Show that the value of the common difference of the progression so that the product of the first, fourth and fifth therm is greatest is $\frac{8}{5}$.

I did it with the concept of Maxima and Minima. Can someone suggest any other methods, something that is purely Algebra 4 years, 5 months ago

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Try to use weighted AM-GM, but keep in mind that $a_1, a_4$ are both negative, so their weights must be negative as well.
Take cases in which $a_5$ is positive or negative, and use the fact that $a_6 = 2$ for the weighted AM part.

- 4 years, 5 months ago

Umm....I sure do know what is AM-GM inequality but i dont know what the weighted AM and GM mean

- 4 years, 5 months ago

Actually it's not the actual weighted AM-GM inequality I'm telling you to use, it's this -

$\frac{ka_1 + la_4 + ma_5}{3} \geq (klm \cdot a_1 a_4 a_5)^{\frac{1}{3}}$

Choose $k, l, m$ such that,
$k, l \leq 0$ and $ka_1 + la_4 + ma_5 = a_6$.
Use the formula for the general term of an AP to find $k, l, m$.

The weighted AM-GM inequality (for two variables, here) is:

$\frac{ma + nb}{m + n} \geq (a^m \cdot b^n)^{\frac{1}{m + n}}$

$m, n$ are called the weights of variables $a, b$ respectively.
It's easy to derive from the general AM-GM inequality.

- 4 years, 5 months ago

I am having a really hard time figuring how to find $l,m,n$.

Now, what I did was started with $ka_1 + la_4 + ma_5 = a_6$.

Then, by pondering on it a little I approached it as follows:-

$k\left( a \right) +l(a+3d)+m(a+4d)=a+5d$

On comparing the coefficients I got the following two equations

$k+l+m=1$

$k+3l+4m=5$

Then as per the rule of cross multiplication, we get,

$\displaystyle \frac { k }{ 4-3 } =\frac { -l }{ 4-1 } =\frac { m }{ 3-1 } \quad \quad \Longrightarrow \quad \quad k=\frac { -l }{ 3 } =\frac { m }{ 2 }$

Using this result when i substitute the values back into equation $k+l+m=1$ I got $1=0$

Then from $\frac{ka_1 + la_4 + ma_5}{3} \geq (klm \cdot a_1 a_4 a_5)^{\frac{1}{3}}$,

We see that $\displaystyle{ \left( { a }_{ 1 }{ a }_{ 4 }{ a }_{ 5 } \right) }_{ max }={ \frac { ka_{ 1 }+la_{ 4 }+ma_{ 5 } }{ 3klm } }^{ 3 }$.

Iam not able to find the value of $klm$. If you can suggest some method.

- 4 years, 5 months ago

It should be $3l + 4m = 5$, not $k + 3l + 4m = 5$, for the coefficient of $d$. You're on the right track!

- 4 years, 5 months ago

But doesn't this imply that the signs of $k$ and $l$ will be different, as we had assumed that $k,l\le 0$.

- 4 years, 5 months ago

No, I don't think so, let me try.

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I am still not able to do it.

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Can you gimme some pointers as to where to learn it from and its applications

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@Ameya Daigavane And one more thing, what does $\displaystyle \sum _{ r imply. Does it imply $\displaystyle \sum _{ s=1 }^{ n }{ \sum _{ r=1 }^{ n }{ { a }_{ r }{ a }_{ s } } }$

- 4 years, 5 months ago

No it does not, $r$ goes from $1$ to $s - 1$, not till $n$. It should be $\sum_{r < s}a_ra_s = \sum_{s = 1}^n \sum_{r = 1}^{s - 1} a_ra_s$ assuming the sum is over all pairs.

- 4 years, 5 months ago

Thanks a lot, you just solved another doubt of mine

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As am on mobile right now so couldn't post another post for this one so would you please consider it and clear my doubt here only.

A straight line is drawn through the centre of a square $ABCD$ intersecting side $AB$ at $N$ so that $AN:NB=1:2$. On this line take an arbitrary point $M$ lying inside the square. Prove that the distances from the point $M$ to the sides $AB, AD, BC, CD$ of the square taken in that order, form an $A.P.$

I did it by considering any vertex as origin then considering sides common to it as axes and then calculating the distance of the point from the sides and then find out the common difference.

I would appreciate it if someone would tell me how to do a rigorous proof which would teach my some interesting new things given that I am a noob at coordinate geometry.

- 4 years, 5 months ago We have, $d_1 + d_4 = d_2 + d_3 = 3a$ $\Rightarrow d_2 - d_1 = d_4 - d_3$

If we show $d_1 + d_3 = 2d_2$, we are done.
Note that, $\triangle MNY \sim \triangle ONX$

So, $\frac{d_1}{\frac{3a}{2}} =\frac{d_2 - a}{\frac{a}{2}}$

$\Rightarrow d_1 = 3d_2 - 3a = 2d_2 - d_3$

as $d_3 = 3a - d_2$, and we're finished.

- 4 years, 5 months ago

I did it the exact same way, just with one little deviation which was I selected the length of the sides to be $a$ instead of $3a$, it made things just a little harder to visualize. And did you think up anything about the question in the main post, or could you suggest me some text to read it from.

- 4 years, 5 months ago

Hmm... Quick enough. Good solution.

- 4 years, 5 months ago

Can you please look into the question in the original post, and provide me some other way to solve than the one that I did as stated in the note, or you could help me figure out where I am going wrong in the method suggested by @Ameya Daigavane.

- 4 years, 5 months ago

One more thing you gotta tell me, how do you draw and post these diagrams on Brilliant.

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I used Asymptote to create the diagram.

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Here's a better way. Let the length of the square be $2a$ and take the origin as the centre of the square. Also, let the coordinate axes be parallel to the sides of the square.

I think you can proceed from here.

- 4 years, 5 months ago

I don't think co-ordinate geometry is the best way here.

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I guess it is. I was able to do it with that in under 5 minutes.

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Just similarity of the triangles should be enough, it's pretty fast. I'll upload a diagram.

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