Suppose for some positive integers \(r\) and \(s\), the digits of \(2^r\) is obtained by permuting the digits of \(2^s\) in decimal expansion. Prove that \(r=s\)

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Aneesh Kundu
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1 year, 10 months ago

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if r < or = s
2^s - 2^r = 2^r(2^n - 1) where r+n=s
9 divides 2^n-1 (2^r is a permutation of the digits of 2^s)
This is only possible when 2^n=1
Therefore, n=0 which implies that r=s
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Aaryan Tiwary
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10 months, 3 weeks ago

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I have also not solved this. But if we assume the number of digits of 2^r and 2^s are same here is a simple solution,
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Chandrachur Banerjee
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@Chandrachur Banerjee
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Without loss of generality let us assume r>s.
Let r=s+k. where k>0
As 2^r and 2^s have same number of digits k<4.
[ Since k>=4 will imply multiplying 2^s by a number >10 and thus ending up with a greater number of digits.]
now as they have same digits their sum of digits is same SO they are congruent modulo 9.
So 2^s+k - 2^s = 2^s( 2^k -1) ==0 (mod 9).
Since (9,2^s)=1(i.e they are co-prime)
this implies 2^k -1==0(mod 9).
k<4 implies 2^k -1 can take values 1 , 3 or 7 all of which leads to a contradiction downright.
So k=0 giving r=s.
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Chandrachur Banerjee
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@Chandrachur Banerjee
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Can you explain why you chose to use modulo 9 rather than modulo 3? Using modulo 3 allows k = 2 to work.
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Ryan Tamburrino
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@Ryan Tamburrino
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What do you mean? Modulo 3 will fail to contradict the case k=2 so modulo 9 is the only option left.
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Chandrachur Banerjee
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1 year, 10 months ago

Aren't we just rearranging the digits?
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Aneesh Kundu
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@Aneesh Kundu
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Of course!Permutation means rearrangement. k>=4 means we have to multiply 2^s by 16 or more which is >10.An that will lead us to more number of digits in 2^r
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Chandrachur Banerjee
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1 year, 10 months ago

Actually I misread \(r=s+k\) as \(r+s=k\), thats why I was wondering that \(k<4\) could be a really useful result.
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Aneesh Kundu
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@Chandrachur Banerjee
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Apparantly this method fails when k=6n as 2^6n==1 (mod 9) which does not provide a contradiction. But this case can surely arise when THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ZEROES AS DIGITS IN 2^r.
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Chandrachur Banerjee
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1 year, 10 months ago

@Chandrachur Banerjee
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if \(k=6n\) and \(k<4\), then \(\dfrac{2}{3}>n\) this leaves us with no positive integer values for \(n\).
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Aneesh Kundu
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@Aneesh Kundu
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Noooo! We get k<4 only when we know that the number of digits in 2^r and 2^s are same. But if suppose there is a zero in 2^r. When we permute the digits the zero can bemade to come in front thus reducing the number of digits in 2^s. And then we cant say k<4.
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Chandrachur Banerjee
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1 year, 10 months ago

what marks would you get to show that r-s<4 in this question < i could only proceed till here>
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Sauditya Yo Yo
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Suppose s ≤ r. If s < r then 2s < 2
r
. Since the number of digits in 2s
and 2r are the same, we have 2r < 10 × 2
s < 2
s+4. Thus we have 2s < 2
r < 2
s+4
which gives r = s + 1 or s + 2 or s + 3. Since 2r
is obtained from 2s by permuting
its digits, 2r − 2
s
is divisible by 9. If r = s + 1, we see that 2r − 2
s = 2s and it is
clearly not divisible by 9. Similarly, 2s+2 − 2
s = 3 × 2
s and 2s+3 − 2
s = 7 × 2
s and
none of these is divisible by 9. We conclude that s < r is not possible. Hence r = s
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Jayakumar Krishnan
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What exactly is the question?
Are leading 0's allowed or not?
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Gopalkrishna Nayak Pangal
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1 year, 10 months ago

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Since its not mentioned in the question whether both the power have the same no digits or not, we need to construct a general case.

Its strange that they still haven't uploaded the official solutions till now.
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Aneesh Kundu
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@Gopalkrishna Nayak Pangal
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That is the precise problem.Nothing is mentioned about the leading zeroes. I think if we consider the leading zeroes the standard of the question goes well above RMO. But i was stuck at this very juncture and failed to provide the above mod 9 solution.
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@Chandrachur Banerjee
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Thee official key says the number of digits are same.I was trying to solve the more general case.I couldnt get it.But i noticed a strange thing
2^{34}=134217728 and
2^{30}=1073741824
and they have almost same digits that is they differ just 1 digit (2 and 4)
I don`t think this may help
But is it true?
Thanks
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@Gopalkrishna Nayak Pangal
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Actually i should have felt that the general case is too difficult! the sad part is i felt it after submitting the answer script. Actually this means nothing now but still it was too much of spoilt milk not to cry over!! Jokes apart your observation is really interesting but i heard recently that someone have proved it,( though i haven't seen it myself)
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Chandrachur Banerjee
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i did not enjoy this problem at all! :(
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Nihar Mahajan
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If the base is equal is then the powers are equal therefore base is 2 powers so r=s
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Naveen Kelvadi
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TopNewestThis one went straight like a tangent over my head. – Aneesh Kundu · 1 year, 10 months ago

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if r < or = s 2^s - 2^r = 2^r(2^n - 1) where r+n=s 9 divides 2^n-1 (2^r is a permutation of the digits of 2^s) This is only possible when 2^n=1 Therefore, n=0 which implies that r=s – Aaryan Tiwary · 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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I have also not solved this. But if we assume the number of digits of 2^r and 2^s are same here is a simple solution, – Chandrachur Banerjee · 1 year, 10 months ago

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– Chandrachur Banerjee · 1 year, 10 months ago

Without loss of generality let us assume r>s. Let r=s+k. where k>0 As 2^r and 2^s have same number of digits k<4. [ Since k>=4 will imply multiplying 2^s by a number >10 and thus ending up with a greater number of digits.] now as they have same digits their sum of digits is same SO they are congruent modulo 9. So 2^s+k - 2^s = 2^s( 2^k -1) ==0 (mod 9). Since (9,2^s)=1(i.e they are co-prime) this implies 2^k -1==0(mod 9). k<4 implies 2^k -1 can take values 1 , 3 or 7 all of which leads to a contradiction downright. So k=0 giving r=s.Log in to reply

– Ryan Tamburrino · 1 year, 10 months ago

Can you explain why you chose to use modulo 9 rather than modulo 3? Using modulo 3 allows k = 2 to work.Log in to reply

– Chandrachur Banerjee · 1 year, 10 months ago

What do you mean? Modulo 3 will fail to contradict the case k=2 so modulo 9 is the only option left.Log in to reply

– Ryan Tamburrino · 1 year, 10 months ago

So one would have to first see that modulo 3 fails before you know to use modulo 9?Log in to reply

Aren't we just rearranging the digits? – Aneesh Kundu · 1 year, 10 months ago

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– Chandrachur Banerjee · 1 year, 10 months ago

Of course!Permutation means rearrangement. k>=4 means we have to multiply 2^s by 16 or more which is >10.An that will lead us to more number of digits in 2^rLog in to reply

Actually I misread \(r=s+k\) as \(r+s=k\), thats why I was wondering that \(k<4\) could be a really useful result. – Aneesh Kundu · 1 year, 10 months ago

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– Chandrachur Banerjee · 1 year, 10 months ago

Apparantly this method fails when k=6n as 2^6n==1 (mod 9) which does not provide a contradiction. But this case can surely arise when THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ZEROES AS DIGITS IN 2^r.Log in to reply

– Chandrachur Banerjee · 1 year, 10 months ago

Please anybody provide solution for this partLog in to reply

– Aneesh Kundu · 1 year, 10 months ago

if \(k=6n\) and \(k<4\), then \(\dfrac{2}{3}>n\) this leaves us with no positive integer values for \(n\).Log in to reply

– Chandrachur Banerjee · 1 year, 10 months ago

Noooo! We get k<4 only when we know that the number of digits in 2^r and 2^s are same. But if suppose there is a zero in 2^r. When we permute the digits the zero can bemade to come in front thus reducing the number of digits in 2^s. And then we cant say k<4.Log in to reply

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– Chandrachur Banerjee · 1 year, 10 months ago

I have also done the same sums. Do u think it is enough?? @ very anxiousLog in to reply

what marks would you get to show that r-s<4 in this question < i could only proceed till here> – Sauditya Yo Yo · 1 year, 10 months ago

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Suppose s ≤ r. If s < r then 2s < 2 r . Since the number of digits in 2s and 2r are the same, we have 2r < 10 × 2 s < 2 s+4. Thus we have 2s < 2 r < 2 s+4 which gives r = s + 1 or s + 2 or s + 3. Since 2r is obtained from 2s by permuting its digits, 2r − 2 s is divisible by 9. If r = s + 1, we see that 2r − 2 s = 2s and it is clearly not divisible by 9. Similarly, 2s+2 − 2 s = 3 × 2 s and 2s+3 − 2 s = 7 × 2 s and none of these is divisible by 9. We conclude that s < r is not possible. Hence r = s – Jayakumar Krishnan · 1 year, 10 months ago

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What exactly is the question? Are leading 0's allowed or not? – Gopalkrishna Nayak Pangal · 1 year, 10 months ago

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– Aneesh Kundu · 1 year, 10 months ago

I don't get itLog in to reply

Its strange that they still haven't uploaded the official solutions till now. – Aneesh Kundu · 1 year, 10 months ago

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– Chandrachur Banerjee · 1 year, 10 months ago

That is the precise problem.Nothing is mentioned about the leading zeroes. I think if we consider the leading zeroes the standard of the question goes well above RMO. But i was stuck at this very juncture and failed to provide the above mod 9 solution.Log in to reply

– Gopalkrishna Nayak Pangal · 1 year, 10 months ago

Thee official key says the number of digits are same.I was trying to solve the more general case.I couldnt get it.But i noticed a strange thing 2^{34}=134217728 and 2^{30}=1073741824 and they have almost same digits that is they differ just 1 digit (2 and 4) I don`t think this may help But is it true? ThanksLog in to reply

– Chandrachur Banerjee · 1 year, 10 months ago

Actually i should have felt that the general case is too difficult! the sad part is i felt it after submitting the answer script. Actually this means nothing now but still it was too much of spoilt milk not to cry over!! Jokes apart your observation is really interesting but i heard recently that someone have proved it,( though i haven't seen it myself)Log in to reply

i did not enjoy this problem at all! :( – Nihar Mahajan · 1 year, 10 months ago

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If the base is equal is then the powers are equal therefore base is 2 powers so r=s – Naveen Kelvadi · 1 year, 10 months ago

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– Aneesh Kundu · 1 year, 10 months ago

Try reading the question againLog in to reply