Hello there,

Maybe the first thing that a calculus student when studying the sine and cosine function is that these are the first that he knows and do not have a limit as \(x\to +\infty\).

But how about the sequence \((\sin n)\) and \((\cos n)\) ? do they have a limit ?

A method to prove that \((\sin n)\) does not have a limit is as follow :

Assume that it has a limit then it should be a real number \(l\) since \(\sin\) is bounded.

Since \(\sin n\to l\), we get \(\sin(2n) \to l\) and : \(\cos(2n) \to 1-2l^2\).

we have : \[\sin 2 = \sin(2n+2-2n) =\sin(2n+2)\cos(2n) -\sin(2n)\cos(2n+2).\]

But the limit of the right side is : \( l(1-2l^2) -l(1-2l^2) =0.\)

Which means that \(\sin 2=0\) which is absurd.

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TopNewestObviously because there is not a set definition for the limit any oscillating series/function.

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May I ask what math class you are in.

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Haha, I'm in Algebra 1. I'm SUPPOSED to be in pre-calc or above, but my school-system is stupid. :D

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In any interval of the form \( [k\pi +\frac{\pi}{3},k\pi +\frac{2\pi}{3}]\), where \(k \) is any natural number, there is at least a natural number \(n_{k}\). The reason is that any such interval has length \(\pi/3\) that is greater than 1. Since those intervals are mutually disjoint then the sequence \(\{n_{k}\}\) is a sub-sequence of the sequence \(\{n\}\) and, obviously, \(|\sin n_k|\geq \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\). In a similar way, considering the intervals of the form \([k\pi -\frac{\pi}{6},k\pi +\frac{\pi}{6}]\), we can construct another sub-sequence \(\{m_k\},\) of the sequence \(\{n\},\) such that \(|\sin m_k|\leq \frac{1}{2}.\) Assume that \(\lim_{n\to \infty}\sin{n}\) exists and is the number \(l.\) Using both sub-sequences defined above, we obtain that \(|l|\geq \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\) and \(|l|\leq \frac{1}{2}\), and this is a contradiction.

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Hi Haroun! Nice solution. One thing though, you are assuming that the limit of \(sin(n)\) exists, for that the sequence \(sin(n)\) needs to be monotonic and bounded. Obviously \(sin(n)\) is bounded but what about monotonicity? It behaves differently( i.e. increasing/decreasing) in different intervals.

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A convergent sequence does not have to be monotonic, for example \(\frac{(-1)^n}{n}\).

If a sequence is bounded and monotonic then it converges (this an implication not an equivalence).

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A much easier way to see that \(sin(n)\) can't possibly have a limit is to note that since \( sin(x) \) doesn't have a limit and is continuous, it can't possibly be that the limit at integral values exists. (I'll leave it to the interested reader to prove this rigorously.)

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How you got sin2n tends to l ??

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If a sequence \(a_n\) converge to some real \(l\) then all of it subsequences converge to \(l\) this follows from the limit definition.

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but how are you taking sin2n = l because as you are taking cos2n = 1 -2* l^2. can't we take sin2n=2

sin(n)cos(n). and hence sin2n= 2l(sqrt(1-l^2))?Log in to reply