Space Oddity Ratio

Dao Z. submitted such an excellent solution to last week's Problem of the Week that we decided to feature it as the solution to our problem of the week. We were impressed by the amount of thought he put into stating it clearly and completely.

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To recap, David told us about the sound quality of his favorite radio station during his last vacation in the following problem:

Space Oddity Radio

I'm in a spaceship very far away from earth but traveling straight towards earth with a speed v. It's boring out here, so I decide to try and tune in to some of my favorite earthly radio stations. I remember that my favorite station has a frequency of 100.3 MHz and so tune my radio to exactly this frequency. Amazingly, I hear the radio station just like I do on earth! How fast is my spaceship going in m/s? (Hint: it's not that fast...I think I should check whether my engines are on).


  1. Photons of electromagnetic radiation have an intrinsic kinetic energy related to their frequency by E=hf E=hf where h h is Planck's constant.
  2. The gravitational interaction between photons and earth can be treated via usual Newtonian gravity and E=mc2 E=mc^2 to convert between energy and mass.
  3. The total energy of the photons is conserved.
  4. The earth can be treated as a sphere of radius 6370 km and mass 6×1024 kg 6 \times 10^{24}~kg. You can ignore rotation of the earth.
  5. The speed of light is 3×108 m/s 3 \times 10^8~m/s.

Space would probably be a much lonelier place without earth radio.

Here is Dao Z.'s solution (only minor paragraphing edits were made):

Dao Z.'s Solution:

I will explain what is going on in the question. Radio signal of frequency f0 f_0 is emitted from the Earth. One photon in such a signal thus has the intrinsic energy (excluding the potential energy) of hf0 hf_0. Since the spaceship is "very far away", I assume that the photon travels a distance long enough to break free from the gravitation of the Earth. Hence the poor photon spent some of its intrinsic energy overcoming the Earth's gravitational pull, i.e. gravitational potential energy, and hence the frequency drops to f f'.However, the spaceship is traveling towards the source of the signal, so according to the doppler effect, the apparent frequency to the people in the spaceship should be higher than the actual frequency of the signal reaching them. Therefore, f f' increases to f0 f_0 again by doppler effect when the spaceship is travelling at a speed of v v. Now what we are going to do is to find v v. Initial energy of the photon on Earth=intrinsic energy + gravitational potential energy. i.e. Initial energy =hf0+(GMmR) =hf_0 + (-\frac{GMm}{R}) , where M M is the mass of the Earth, and m=hf0c2 m=\frac{hf_0}{c^2} is the "mass" of the photon according to E=mc2 E=mc^2, and R R is the radius of the Earth.

When the signal reaches the spaceship, the gravitational potential energy of the photon becomes 0 because we assume that the photon is now at a "infinite" distance away from Earth and free of gravitational interaction with any other objects. The photon now has the new frequency, f f' and the new energy hf hf'. By conservation of energy, hf=hf0+(GMmR) hf'=hf_0 + (-\frac{GMm}{R}). Sub m=hf0c2 m=\frac{hf_0}{c^2} to get:

hf=hf0GMhf0c2R hf'=hf_0 - \frac{GMhf_0}{c^2 R}

f=f0GMf0c2R=(1GMRc2)f0 f'=f_0 - \frac{GMf_0}{c^2 R}=(1-\frac{GM}{Rc^2})f_0

ff0=1GMRc2 \frac{f'}{f_0}=1-\frac{GM}{Rc^2}

According to the formula of the doppler effect, f0=c+vcf f_0=\frac{c+v}{c}f',ff0=cc+v=1vc+v \frac{f'}{f_0}=\frac{c}{c+v}=1-\frac{v}{c+v}. Since c>>v, c+vc c+v \approx c, and sub ff0=1GMRc2 \frac{f'}{f_0}=1-\frac{GM}{Rc^2} back to get: 1vc=1GMRc2 1-\frac{v}{c}=1-\frac{GM}{Rc^2} and thus v=GMRc v=\frac{GM}{Rc}. When we sub all the values in, we get v0.209 v\approx 0.209, which is the answer.

Appendix: Actually when dealing with light, we have to use relativistic doppler effect, because speed of light is the same in any inertial frame, but since v is so small, the relativistic doppler effect can be simplify to the normal doppler effect. Here is the proof: According to the formula of the relativistic doppler effect, the apparent frequency, f0=c+vcvf f_0=\sqrt{\frac{c+v}{c-v}}f' and ff0=cvc+v=12vc+v \frac{f'}{f_0}=\sqrt{\frac{c-v}{c+v}}=\sqrt{1-\frac{2v}{c+v}} , where c is the speed of light and v is speed of the spaceship towards the Earth. Since c>>v, 2vc+v \frac{2v}{c+v} is very small, so by the binomial expansion to the first two term, f0=12vc+vf(1(12)(2vc+v))f=(1vc+v)f=cc+vf f_0=\sqrt{1-\frac{2v}{c+v}}f' \approx (1-(\frac{1}{2})(\frac{2v}{c+v}))f'=(1- \frac{v}{c+v})f'=\frac{c}{c+v}f' , in accordance to the normal doppler effect equation. Hence the result will be the same.

We thought that was a nice explanation.

Note by Peter Taylor
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